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Siobhan:

[nq:1]you know, that just means you don't want it. because if you wanted it, you'd have the balls for it.[/nq]
Actually, that's a fair comment.
[nq:1]i'm getting a little irritated by all the people saying brandings & cuttings are so hardcore/painful/difficult/whatever. if you haven't had ... you above. i'm ready for folks to accept that just because you CAN doesn't mean you HAVE TO. or should.[/nq]
No, that's ok, I'm not offended, and what you said is a good point. I *am* scared of pain, but I wanted my tattoos badly enough to put up with the potential pain of getting them (and did it twice so far, and have plans for more). It is more honest to say I just don't want branding or cutting enough to go ahead with it. At this point, anyway.

Siobhan

fr0glet:

i'll teach you to turn away. (Email Removed) blurted:
[nq:1]i'm getting a little irritated by all the people saying brandings & cuttings are so hardcore/painful/difficult/whatever.[/nq]
Strangely enough, after experiencing both I find myself better suited to managing the pain of branding than the pain of tattooing.
[nq:1]if you wanted it, you'd do it.[/nq]
Precisely. That's the very thing every unmodded person is alluding to when they say "but doesn't it HUUURRTT?? GLUGLUGLUG" - that they just don't want it enough to tackle the whole pain issue.

fr0glet -- "You cannot be an objective scientist if you have an agenda." ~The Madman

fr0glet:

Siobhan (Email Removed) blurted:
[nq:2]tiamat's tears (Email Removed) blurted: Indeed, by Steve Haworth (who ... beginning of March by Ryan Oullette of Precision Body Arts.[/nq]
[nq:1]snip Ooh, that sounds great. I'm a chorister/singer of many years, and a lot of the people around me have ... I don't have the balls for branding or cutting), but didn't really want the same tattoo as every other soprano.[/nq]
I didn't choose branding the clef because I wanted something different than everyone else. It was really an opportunistic thing. The story is that I'm surrounded by unmodified people. Sure, I know lots of people in real life who have tattoos and a couple of piercings, but the only local person I socialize with into modification for personal growth/spiritual enhancement/landmarking is my piercer. Steve Haworth contacted all the Seattlites on IAM and told us he'd be doing a guest spot at Slave to the Needle... I talked him into timing it over the weekend of RABcon 2003 (AKA the smallest RABcon in the history of time, which was held at my house). This weekend coincided with one year from my mother's death. I finally had the chance to have some real moral support from people I care about who also have serious collections of bodyart/real knowledge of the subject/dedication to bodyart beyond flash. Those RABbits are specifically Judy and Angie. I wanted a second piece on my memory-of-dear-departed-mom arm, I had this talented advanced modification artist at my disposal, and I had a couple of women who mean something to mean friend-wise present for moral support. If all those pieces wouldn't have fallen into place, I probably would never have gotten branded. If Angie and Judy wouldn't have been there, I don't think I'd have been in the mental space for that modification. I felt relaxed and ready when the time came to do it.

Once I discovered the awesome scar sensations, I felt compelled to get more. The scar itself is very, very sensitive and easy to create pleasure via. My husband also seems to really enjoy the tactile sensation of finding it in the dark. The opportunity to get the cutting fell into my lap in the same manner as the branding. I took only a moment to decide on the design and placement, even though it's not part of my dear-departed-mom themed arm. I now have had a couple of months to contemplate the piece and it grows more important to me as I ponder it.

There is some part of me that's into the cutting plan on the collector angle... I have begun a collection of art pieces that I plan to have vary widely in style. I suspect the scar created by flesh removal will be different than the one I have already. I guess the procedure will be the greatest difference (I anticipate the cutting taking over an hour; the branding took about 10 minutes).
[nq:1]Pondering an entire line of music, but having it done as an armband seems twee, somehow! And the piece that's most important to me as a chorister is really boring visually. All minums. [/nq]^_^

My friend has the Eroica Symphony's chorus tattooed on her arm, bars and all. I like it.

Sorry I felt so long-winded tonight. I just felt that the clef wasn't speaking well enough all by itself. I won't bother covering the clef + me + mom significance. Emotion: smile

fr0glet -- "You cannot be an objective scientist if you have an agenda." ~The Madman

The Queen of Cans and Jars:

[nq:1]I won't bother covering the clef + me + mom significance.[/nq]
i rather wish you would. i've always wondered why you chose it.

Alice Myers:

[nq:1]http://www.precisionbodyarts.com/ryanbio.htm has a link to his gallery on BME. fr0glet[/nq]
Ack! They're local to me. I'm not sayin' anything about Ryan, cause I think he's the guy who put the industrial in my ear, and I was well pleased, but don't let Kevin tattoo you!! He was way too busy trying to watch "Fight Club" on the DVD out in the other room to stay inside the lines! At one point, he was distracted by another customer wanting opinions about a touch-up, and he was looking at her back, and still trying to shade my arm, at the same time. I will not go there for a tattoo, ever, ever, again.

reverend sinn:

[nq:1]Strangely enough, after experiencing both I find myself better suited to managing the pain of branding than the pain of tattooing.[/nq]
oh, how i envy you. at this point, i'd rather sit through hours of ink on my ribs than to have them cut again. after 60+ hours of ink and two scarifications, 7 hours of drilling seems like paradise compared to healing six little cuts.
[nq:1]Precisely. That's the very thing every unmodded person is alluding to when they say "but doesn't it HUUURRTT?? GLUGLUGLUG" - that they just don't want it enough to tackle the whole pain issue.[/nq]
the immediate response of 'doesn't that hurt??' annoys me to no end. and they assume any person with modifications does it soley for the pain, not the end result. when, in fact, only a few of us do. grin
[nq:1]fr0glet -- "You cannot be an objective scientist if you have an agenda." ~The Madman[/nq]

fr0glet:

The Queen of Cans and Jars (Email Removed) blurted:
[nq:2]I won't bother covering the clef + me + mom significance.[/nq]
[nq:1]i rather wish you would. i've always wondered why you chose it.[/nq]
I'm so not lish. I'll go so far as to post my personal motivation/inspiration behind permanent body art TO USENET. Since you asked.

1. Mom was my first voice coach. She and I had the same range (high tenor through alto up to low soprano) and both had the ear for harmony. We always sang together. All my mother's children are singers. Mom was in the "Sweet Adelines" singing group when I was young, and I often attended their practices and sang with her group. She encouraged me to join choirs, choral ensembles, jazz choir, and to always go for the solo.

2. Mom decided she and I would start taking piano lessons together when I was 5. I stuck with it for 12 years and my first job was working as a Nordstrom's pianist at Christmas time. She urged me to teach beginner piano lessons and I did so for 3 years. She never missed one of my recitals or concerts and applauded loudly for my performances. She drilled me during practice until I reached new levels of perfection. She somehow found extra cash to pay to have our old Baldwin upright piano tuned and new keys put on. When I broke my arm, she played duets with me so I could play one handed until it recovered. She let me out of doing the dishes and other chores if only I'd sit down and play classical music for her.

3. Mom and I both have names starting with the letter S. When I was little she bought us a bunch of gold-foil treble clef stickers and told me they were our insignia. She plastered the stickers all over things and filled out the rest of our names after the clef. We practiced drawing the clef and using it in our signatures. Eventually she and I got involved in calligraphy projects because of it.

4. She was one of my best friends.

5. She's dead now and I want to cover my right arm with things that make me think of her.

fr0glet -- "You cannot be an objective scientist if you have an agenda." ~The Madman

i'll teach you to turn away.:

fg> I'm so not lish. I'll go so far as to post my personal fg> motivation/inspiration behind permanent body art TO USENET. Since you asked. fg> 4. She was one of my best friends.

you're SO not lish.

lish "well, i suppose lish is a woman, (Email Removed) in the same way satan is an angel." -ks 39.3% / 30 RANA 125 / 68

bkr:

[nq:1]Ray Pearson (Email Removed) blurted:[/nq]
[nq:2]... Jesus Christ you are a better man than I! I hate burns.[/nq]
[nq:1]I never said it didn't hurt, look at this face I had to make to stand it: fr0gletDamnit fr0glet, somehow your site has made it onto my companie's "access restricted" list. Now I can't see anything on your site. That sucks[/nq]
bkr

fr0glet:

bkr (Email Removed) blurted:
[nq:2]Ray Pearson (Email Removed) blurted: I never said it didn't hurt, look at this face I had to make to stand it: [/nq]
[nq:1]Damnit fr0glet, somehow your site has made it onto my companie's "access restricted" list. Now I can't see anything on your site. That sucks bkr[/nq]
A similar pic is on my IAM page in the branding gallery. How long since you last logged on? Emotion: smile

Heh. I even know why. In a google search for "pr0n" my personal site comes up within the first 20 or so hits (less if you have safe-search turned on). The word pr0n is indexed from my site from this image:

(Sorry, large image, it's a blue racer on our porch).

fr0glet -- "You cannot be an objective scientist if you have an agenda." ~The Madman

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