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HelloThis is a discussion thread · 63 replies LisatheSequel: New person. Female. 38, SAHM. Married. New to here. New to piercing. I'm going to have a piercing done and am currently researching, trying to decide where I want it placed and all pertinent info. My choices are going back and forth between the nose, brow and tongue. I've got some questions I'm not finding answers for online, so hopefully I can get some here. If you don't mind I'll just launch right into it.Re: the tongue Found a few horror stories. Infection getting in the bloodstream can kill you in a very short time. One woman's brain swelled and she went into a coma. A couple young people bled to death. Yet I marvel at the amount of people blithely getting this piercing and surviving it, seemingly without incident. What's up with that? Are the risks that great? Dentists hate it. Damage to the teeth: inevitable? Placement. I'm going for the center placement but I want it dead center, right on the line, and not too near the tip. I've heard some piercers won't give you a choice. I can understand if they have to make a decision between hitting a vein or getting it centered. How can I communicate what I want in a respectful way to my piercer before my tongue goes in the clamp? If I can't get it precisely centered (not perfect, but looking good), then I don't want it done. Is it okay to change your mind in the middle of an appointment and go for a different area? Ballpark, how long does it take until it's healed over enough to be permanent? Will it eventually make a permanent hole? Or keep healing up if jewelry doesn't stay in? Re: the brow Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. However, it looks like it would bump and catch on everything coming and going + take a long time to heal. Also, I don't like the possibility of it migrating. Aesthetically, though, that would be my first choice. Re: the nose How big a problem is an extra hole in the nose as it pertains to hygiene? My daughter has a labret and when she takes a drink of water she can close her mouth and squirt water out her bottom lip. I'm not going to have anything dripping out (Lord forbid), or jewelry flying all over the place if I sneeze, am I? (yeah, right here you can tell I'm a greenhorn - still, it's worrying so I have to ask) General: -What is the best jewelry material to purchase? Gold? -My husband and I are thinking of having another baby, our last. Will getting a piercing prove a long-term health risk? Like, the body constantly fighting infection and the immune system compromised? This is his biggest worry. -What are some reasons a person should definitely not get a piercing? Like, diabetes, hemophilia, obesity, heart problems, metal allergy, etc. I have more but this is a monster as it is. Thanks in advance for any input you have to offer.
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Curt James: [nq:1]New person.[/nq]Yeesss. I gathered that.  ) Welcome.Lisa the sequel? What'd you do with the original? Are you a clone or... And I'm digging the friendly air of DON'T MAIL ME! GO AWAY! Sweet. So, got that out of my system. On with the show. (Kav might call this The Captain Google Show! Or not.) [nq:1]Female. 38, SAHM.[/nq] Stay-at-home mom? Because Google also offers Special Access Hubbing Model. Okay, okay, now I REALLY have it out of my system. I promise. [nq:1]Married. New to here. New to piercing.[/nq] Cool, cool, and cool. [nq:1]I'm going to have a piercing done and am currently researching, trying to decide where I want it placed and ... answers for online, so hopefully I can get some here. If you don't mind I'll just launch right into it.[/nq] Sweet. [nq:1]Re: the tongue Found a few horror stories. Infection getting in the bloodstream can kill you in a very short ... people blithely getting this piercing and surviving it, seemingly without incident. What's up with that? Are the risks that great?[/nq] I'd say it's like getting hit by lightning. Do you know anyone who's been hit by lightning? Then again... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=tongue+piercing+dangers&btnG=Search And have you visited the Snopes message boards? http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get topic;f=2;t=004912;p=1 [nq:1]Dentists hate it. Damage to the teeth: inevitable?[/nq] Possible? Yes. Inevitable? No. [nq:1]Placement. I'm going for the center placement but I want it dead center, right on the line, and not too near the tip.[/nq] OOh, you're one of those. I suspect you won't be satisfied. Please tell your piercer your specifications and expectations before they apply the clamp, obviously. It's not unreasonable to want the piercing positioned just so, but you almost make it sound like you won't be happy regardless of where the piercer places your piercing. [nq:1]I've heard some piercers won't give you a choice.[/nq] Move on down the street. Even a tiny town like Carlisle has two shops to choose from with several shops within a 30-minute drive and several more less than an hour away. If your potential piercer does not give you a choice then scratch that piercer off your list. Well, barring the good explanation, of course. [nq:1]I can understand if they have to make a decision between hitting a vein or getting it centered.[/nq] Cool. [nq:1]How can I communicate what I want in a respectful way to my piercer before my tongue goes in the clamp?[/nq] Simple. Repeat after me: "If I can't get it precisely centered (not perfect, but looking good), then I don't want it done." [nq:1]If I can't get it precisely centered (not perfect, but looking good), then I don't want it done[/nq] Oh, you've been practicing! Well done. [nq:1]Is it okay to change your mind in the middle of an appointment and go for a different area?[/nq] Of course. [nq:1]Ballpark, how long does it take until it's healed over enough to be permanent?[/nq] Healed over? The tongue is a healing machine, but general healing (upon, yeah, a cursory Google peek) is two to six weeks. [nq:1]Will it eventually make a permanent hole? Or keep healing up if jewelry doesn't stay in?[/nq] Unless you go large gauge, I'd say it's a piercing that will close up rather quickly. Thankfully, retainers are one possible solution: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=tongue+piercing+retainers&btnG=Search [nq:1]Re: the brow Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. However, it looks like it would bump and catch on everything coming and going + take a long time to heal. Also, I don't like the possibility of it migrating. Aesthetically, though, that would be my first choice.[/nq] I've never had a brow piercing, but my navel piercing did bump and catch on quite a lot coming and going. On topic eyebrow piercing - I've seen many beautifully healed brows but a few examples of botched aftercare action as well. Blecch. Migration is something you take your chances with, too. My nipple piercings have been rock solid and have taken the occasional snag on a loofah without long-lasting ill result or migration, however some people's piercings seem to migrate if you merely look at them. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-29%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=migrating+piercing... [nq:1]Re: the nose How big a problem is an extra hole in the nose as it pertains to hygiene? My ... going to have anything dripping out (Lord forbid), or jewelry flying all over the place if I sneeze, am I?[/nq] The water thing sounds cool. But you're not going supah large with your nostril piercing, are you? I wouldn't anticipate anything flying out of your piercing. Have you found BMEzine yet? You may want to check out: http://www.bmezine.com/pierce/03-nose/A50718/nosmyfir.html I never had a nostril piercing, but have enjoyed a septum piercing longterm and without any problems. Uh, well, I did eventually lose the jewelry during a cold and the associated and seemingly continuous schnozz blowing. [nq:1](yeah, right here you can tell I'm a greenhorn - still, it's worrying so I have to ask) General: -What is the best jewelry material to purchase? Gold?[/nq] Best jewelry is a personal choice. I've used stainless steel and glass without problem. Everyone has their favorite. Often it's what's available wherever you're being pierced. There are tons of online retailers. One that I've had several great experiences ordering from is: http://glasswearstudios.com / [nq:1]-My husband and I are thinking of having another baby, our last. Will getting a piercing prove a long-term health ... are some reasons a person should definitely not get a piercing? Like, diabetes, hemophilia, obesity, heart problems, metal allergy, etc.[/nq] "There are several medical problems that make it dangerous to get a piercing. If you have one of these conditions, it may be too risky for you to get a piercing. If in doubt, consult your doctor. Diabetes & haematopoietic abnormalities: Both present difficulties for piercing, because they reduce the body's ability to heal wounds properly. The increased incidence of infections associated with diabetes may also contribute to impaired wound healing. Hemophilia: Because hemophiliacs have a greater tendency to hemorrhage and a greatly reduced ability to heal wounds, this disease precludes piercing." From: http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/?article=activity&refid=028 "During pregnancy, your abdomen will expand until eventually your belly button protrudes. It is unlikely at this point that your jewellery will stay in, so it may be better to remove it before it is ejected! The best advice here is to consult your piercer about the best time to remove your jewellery and about the possibilities for refitting it afterwards. They have specialised equipment, including temporary fastenings, which will enable the jewellery to be refitted without the need for repiercing. You don't need to remove jewellery from pierced nipples during pregnancy unless it begins to feel uncomfortable, but if you want to breastfeed it seems on balance better to have them removed. Contact a piercer for assistance in taking them out. Many women with pierced nipples go on to breastfeed their babies successfully, although there is anecdotal evidence that horizontal piercing is better suited to breastfeeding. There have been incidences of women breastfeeding without removing their nipple rings, but most professionals agree that breastfeeding with jewellery in can cause feeding problems for your baby. There's also the risk that it will become dislodged and choke him. In addition, his gums, tongue or palate could be damaged by breastfeeding on nipple jewellery." From: http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/antenatalhealth/physicalhealth/piercingsexpert / My Google search string for those two links was body piercings and pregnancy. This one looked interesting as well: http://www.piercing.org/faq/pregnancy.html [nq:1]I have more but this is a monster as it is. Thanks in advance for any input you have to offer.[/nq] That's my Google-based input as well as what anecdotal info I can offer. Best of luck, greenhorn! Oh, one last thing. The content of this post is provided for general information only and is not intended in any way to substitute for professional medical advice. This post is not intended to be relied upon for medical diagnosis or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health professional if you have any concern about your health. To obtain medical advice, patients must consult a physician one-on-one. Individuals are encouraged to develop a professional relationship with physicians and other medical practitioners and regularly consult with them and seek their advice. And, again, welcome to RAB. Curt http://curtjames.com /
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Nina Baltes: Hi, and welcome to rab! First off, thank you for doing your research ;-)LisatheSequel schrieb: [nq:1]people bled to death. Yet I marvel at the amount of people blithely getting this piercing and surviving it, seemingly without incident. What's up with that? Are the risks that great?[/nq] No. The tongue has excellent blood supply and healing capabilities. Problems can arise when you have a damaged immune system, a heart condition (damaged valves "catch" bacteria that are introduced from the oral cavity with the piercing), when you flat out refuse to see a doctor about a problem, or out of plain bad luck and the presence of a highly pathogenic bacterium (brain abscess). That said, plenty of your daily activities probably carry a similar risk. Like you said, most people survive  .[nq:1]Dentists hate it. Damage to the teeth: inevitable?[/nq] There are enough people who manage to keep one without damaging their teeth, but the problem is that you don't know if you'd be one of them . For mepersonally, the risk is high enough to not get one. Same goes for a labret.[nq:1]in the clamp? If I can't get it precisely centered (not perfect, but looking good), then I don't want it done. Is it okay to change your mind in the middle of an appointment and go for a different area?[/nq] No problem. State your concern! They also mark the spot beforehand and you can check the placement. Word of warning: It can still look off-center for a number of reasons, initially, because of swelling and jewelry that's long enough to allow swelling without pinching, but also because your body is not 100% symmetrical. [nq:1]Ballpark, how long does it take until it's healed over enough to be permanent? Will it eventually make a permanent hole? Or keep healing up if jewelry doesn't stay in?[/nq] You'd have to keep jewelry in it all the time. If you take it out, the hole will shrink. It may or may not close close completely, but it will shrink to a point where it could become impossible to insert the jewelry you had in it. However, the larger the gauge, the longer it will stay open enough to run a taper through and reinsert jewelry. Unfortunately, it's not like an ear piercing that you can leave without jewelry for a long time. [nq:1]Re: the brow Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. However, it looks like it would bump and catch on everything coming and going + take a long time to heal. Also, I don't like the possibility of it migrating. Aesthetically, though, that would be my first choice.[/nq] Well, you do have to be somewhat careful with hairbrushes and shirts and the like, and your piercer can determine the risk of migration, but you won't know until you try. [nq:1]water out her bottom lip. I'm not going to have anything dripping out (Lord forbid), or jewelry flying all over the place if I sneeze, am I?[/nq] Most probably not, unless you have a giant hole in your nose . However, nose jewelrycan be uncomfortable when you have a cold and need to blow your nose often.[nq:1]-What is the best jewelry material to purchase? Gold?[/nq] I prefer implant grade steel and titanium. [nq:1]-My husband and I are thinking of having another baby, our last. Will getting a piercing prove a long-term health risk? Like, the body constantly fighting infection and the immune system compromised?[/nq] Nah. Your body is constantly waging war on infectious agents on all surfaces anyway - skin, gut, eye, you name it- and it's trained to do it well . A piercing, once it's healed, is not very different from the body part its in. The placements you mentioned wouldn't be a 'mechanical' problem in pregnancy even.[nq:1]-What are some reasons a person should definitely not get a piercing? Like, diabetes, hemophilia, obesity, heart problems, metal allergy, etc.[/nq] Anything that interferes with healing, and the aforementioned heart condition can be a problem. If you suffer from any such condition, talk to a doc! Metal allergies can often be avoided by using titanium, which only very few people are allergic to, but also implant grade steel which doesn't release nickel (main cause of metal allergies). Nina
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Anonymous: "OOh, you're one of those."lol  hi there. the only piercings of the ones you've had listed that i know about first hard is the nose. i highly doubt that you're going to have stuff other than lymph secreting from the piercing, and as for jewelry "flying" about - um, no. i'm assuming nostril screws aid very little movement, i myself went for a CBR and it doesn't do a whole lot of movement, but some is there. word of advice if you do for the nostril, get it done with a screw...rings tend to move around more and pull crusties into the piercing (exactly why i had a few issues with mine at first) and are more easily bumped.
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Curt James: I scribbled:[nq:1]"OOh, you're one of those." lol [/nq]heh There was no offense meant to the OP. Sad to see they haven't bounced back a message to anyone who's replied so far. [nq:1]hi there. the only piercings of the ones you've had listed that i know about first hard is the nose. ... crusties into the piercing (exactly why i had a few issues with mine at first) and are more easily bumped.[/nq] I went with the septum piercing over the nostril as - call me a somethingsomething, but - I believe you have to be a woman or a really pretty man to wear one. Prince ? Yes. Ernest Borgnine ? Probably not. Curt http://curtjames.com /
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Anonymous: [nq:1]i myself went for a CBR and it doesn't do a whole lot of movement, but some is there. word ... crusties into the piercing (exactly why i had a few issues with mine at first) and are more easily bumped.[/nq]Would you learn to write? "It (CBR)doesn't do a whole lot of movement . . . rings tend to move around more and pull crusties into the piercing (exactly why i had a few issues . . ." So which is it? And no, a nostril screw is not the best jewelry. There are some really nice snap-together pieces that are so much better. Shouldn't you be taking orders at the drive-thru? Kavin
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Anonymous: [nq:1]I'm going to have a piercing done and am currently researching, trying to decide where I want it placed and all pertinent info. My choices are going back and forth between the nose, brow and tongue.[/nq]Do you not see this as a "I want a tattoo, what should I get" type question? If all you are thinking right now is that you want a piercing, you should wait until you have one in mind. I know you think this is part of the research it isn't. Choosing a piercing because it is 'easy' to heal isn't a good reason, unless you are thinking in terms of a multiple piercing project and you have never been pierced before. Then I could see going for something simple the first time. Tongues are easy and easy to hide. Most people over-do the eyebrow jewelry, and nostrils aren't always pierced in the crease (where they look better). If it's not a piercing you've wanted except for the fact that it would be a hole, I'll wager you won't follow through with the healing. Just a thought. K
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Curt James: [nq:1]Shouldn't you be taking orders at the drive-thru? Kavin[/nq]Hey, my memory is not the best, but there's anyone who's ever traveled on something you call the short bus, hotel or motel workers - anyone who changes sheets, I guess, and now people who take orders at the drive-thru. Your world populated by lawyers, doctors, and whatever other career garners your, I suspect worthless, respect? Hth. Curt http://curtjames.com /
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LisatheSequel: Nina Baltes schrieb:[nq:1]Hi, and welcome to rab! First off, thank you for doing your research ;-)[/nq] Hi Nina. You're welcome. When there's pain involved I tend to find research necessary. [nq:1]LisatheSequel schrieb:[/nq] [nq:2]people bled to death. Yet I marvel at the amount ... incident. What's up with that? Are the risks that great?[/nq] [nq:1]No. The tongue has excellent blood supply and healing capabilities. Problems can arise when you have a damaged immune system, ... abscess). That said, plenty of your daily activities probably carry a similar risk. Like you said, most people survive .[/nq]That makes sense. Now I'm wondering if I possibly have an unknown heart condition. Well, if so, this is one creative way to find out. Ie - she's dead, but didn't she have style? [nq:2]Dentists hate it. Damage to the teeth: inevitable?[/nq] [nq:1]There are enough people who manage to keep one without damaging their teeth, but the problem is that you don't know if you'd be one of them . For mepersonally, the risk is high enough to not get one. Same goes for a labret.[/nq]I wonder if the damage depends on the person "bothering" it constantly, or the placement itself. I noticed after healing some people have a large hole, one that their jewelry almost seems to lie in instead of occupy. I don't think I'll constantly be sucking on it or working it with my teeth, and I wonder if that'll reduce my chances of damage. [nq:2]in the clamp? If I can't get it precisely centered ... middle of an appointment and go for a different area?[/nq] [nq:1]No problem. State your concern! They also mark the spot beforehand and you can check the placement. Word of warning: ... swelling and jewelry that's long enough to allow swelling without pinching, but also because your body is not 100% symmetrical.[/nq] I've got a pretty symmetrical tongue with a indentation line right smack down the middle of it. Checked the veins underneath and nothing looks like it'd interfere with getting it centered. I'm not going to be obsessive on the matter, just saw pictures (not venoms) where the placement was so crooked it was sad. Most of them were younger people. I'd be so disappointed if that happened. I wanted to know if it were okay to communicate this fear to my piercer by running the idea through this newsgroup, and I think I got an idea of what the piercer would think from the comment of another poster: oh, you're one of those That's the impression I'm trying to avoid, but I don't think I'll be able to. [nq:2]Ballpark, how long does it take until it's healed over ... hole? Or keep healing up if jewelry doesn't stay in?[/nq] [nq:1]You'd have to keep jewelry in it all the time. If you take it out, the hole will shrink. It ... and reinsert jewelry. Unfortunately, it's not like an ear piercing that you can leave without jewelry for a long time.[/nq] I wonder... I want to go feminine with it, wherever I decide to put it. I know the starter jewelry for a tongue would have to be large to allow for the swelling, but do you know the standard gauge for the tongue, brow and nose? I've seen ears (tops - cartilage?) where the jewelry is small, but the larger gauge than what you'll find in a jewelry store makes the piercing look masculine. I'd like to avoid that.
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LisatheSequel: (Email Removed) schrieb:[nq:1]"OOh, you're one of those." lol hi there. the only piercings of the ones you've had listed that i ... crusties into the piercing (exactly why i had a few issues with mine at first) and are more easily bumped.[/nq]Hi, thanks very much for the info. Could you please explain just a bit? There are a couple things I didn't get. -"..of the ones you've had listed that i know about first hard is the nose." So the nose is the hardest one to deal with? Most painful? Most difficult in matters of care? Re: nostril screws - that sounds like a very good idea. I'm not sure what this is, but I'll look it up online. The only thing I've seen are what looks like little hooks of metal that are inserted through the piercing, and those look like they would move around quite a bit. Of course, I've never had one, so I don't really know. -"i myself went for a CBR..." I don't know what a CBR is. Re: rings for the nose, I love the look of that but I don't know whether I'll be able to pull it off. I want it to look good as well as be happy with it myself, which is more important, but if I could choose I'd have both. Some people just can't pull the ring off. I have the nose for it, but... well, you never know. I don't want to look silly. Did I mention I was 38 soon? This might contribute to the silliness.
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